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5th Working Group MeetingReport of Meeting“Information” session There has been approval of funding for DOSME for 10 countries. However, pending a tender process for the project management the money is not available. The 10 countries are the pre-accession ones. Albania and Macedonia are not included, but may take part in a parallel “Balkans project”. In practice this may mean that they will continue in the project but be funded from another source. Balkans project finance is, however, likely to be even slower than DoSME2, and there may need to be an advance from the participating countries to undertake B5/6 on the promise of later repayment. Arto Luhtio will keep the project in touch with developments. TES courses are also subject to tender arrangements in the future, and there may be regional or national courses in future. CECs should soon receive an invite to a course on statistical units in Luxembourg in Oct 2000. Eurostat will fund attendance by CECs. A specific TES course for Bulgaria is also planned for May. The business registers course that is held annually in Oslo is not certain to continue this year. There is in any case no funding for CECs for this course. Additional information on various topics is available from the Eurostat web site http://europa.eu.int/comm/eurostat. Information on the next roundtable on business survey frames will be available, probably from autumn 2000, from www.stats.govt.nz/nzroundtable. The meeting takes place in Wellington at end of October/ early November. The next meetings will be in the USA in 2001 and in Portugal in 2002. EU work on business demography will be organised through three separate sessions with 5 member states in each. These will be brought together at the June business registers meeting. There should be a clear route for the DoSME project to contribute its experience – Arto Luhtio would assist, but John Perry should be involved too. Document 63 contained information relating to the first Structural Business Statistics PHARE project. The first project meeting will be in Warsaw in July (and the second in Slovenia in the autumn?). There will be a joint DOSME2/ SBS project seminar in Autumn 2001. The Netherlands National Economics Institute (NEI) is the current contractor for the SBS project There had been a Eurostat meeting on enterprise groups in Luxemburg in April. Eventually it is hoped to have an extra chapter in the registers manual for enterprise groups, and to amend the business registers regulation, but this may take some time to achieve. Directors of statistics in member states have endorsed his approach. The forthcoming business registers committee meeting on 26/27 June in Luxembourg is scheduled to cover enterprise groups (from the April meeting), demography (feedback from the 3 sessions), coverage of NACE sections N and O, and implementation of the business registers regulation (the member states questionnaire). The UK completed questionnaire was shown to CECs for information. CECs were requested to provide information to Infostat on any courses or seminars that take place in relevant areas. Eurostat will examine publicising on their web site (BRNET within CIRCA). Progress on B4 (doc 57) The report covering the main phases of B4 was presented. The main issue raised was the contents of the CDs to be provided to close the project:
Countries will need to archive their own input data (register extracts and so on); if CDs from Infostat are in open form, these could be added if a suitable CD writer is available. There was a question of how to deal with the B4 publication, since the data must be written to CD before they are published. Individual Country Reports (key points only – Paul Smith) Albania
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Other general discussion points
Comments from CECs (John Perry):
Albania
Bulgaria
Czech
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
R. Macedonia
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Quality Document 62 needs an extra paragraph to define “ghosts” and the base-line issues. The C survey is to be excluded from the graphs. B4 is to be added to the report and graphs. B4 Publication Changes were agreed as follows:
Answers to specific queries on data in the tables were:
Polish Publication The working group agreed to the publication by Poland of a comparison of the five first wave of accession countries:
We need to consider adding 1998 (B4) data at some stage. Poland will publish following clearance from Eurostat and project co-ordinator. Eurostat will check on procedures. Eurostat will publish only electronically on the web site. Publication is to be ready electronically by 3rd week of May. Some interest expected in Eurostat and in the EU DGs concerned with enterprise and enlargement
Longitudinal estimates The impact of “dormant” estimates on the population estimates was demonstrated to be major and could not be explained. We cannot progress the work without an explanation.
Issues raised country by country were: Albania
Bulgaria
Czech
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Stricter control is needed on CDB for dates and the B5/B6/C2 questionnaire design needs improvement to deal with these issues.
The following should be noted:
Hardware/ software issues The data entry package can be rewritten very quickly for the new working environment. No action will be taken until DOSME2 contracts are in place Bulgaria does not have access to SAS or SPSS. This needs to be rectified.
Longitudinal database Presented on a slide show. Issues:
Table 1 of the B4 publication Republic of Macedonia (name to be confirmed for publication by Arto Luthio) data are to be included in the table with a 1 January 1999 creations figure in the first column and an appropriate footnote. Table 1 is to be moved to the main text of the report, as it is on a different basis from the other tables. This will help the reader. GDP figures will be presented in ECU (as they relate to 1998) per head and PPP figures will also be included. The correct figure for Slovenia is 8756 ECU per head in 1998 Republic of Macedonia will provide figures in $ for conversion. Options for calculation of table 1 estimates were considered on the basis of an example of data for Slovenia, which illustrated the problems of:
DOSME 2 Only options 4 and 5 were considered in any way acceptable for the DOSME 2 project. The gap in funding causes major problems of continuity for the DOSME surveys. The lack of a B5 survey in 2000 can be met only by making contact with B5 units in 2001, 12 months later than for previous surveys. This will require special care with the questionnaire and the collection of information for dead units. The DOSME 1 project had already shown that it was difficult to collect the vital death dates only 9 months after the end of the year of registration. A further 12 months delay can only reduce the quality. Three countries expressed an interest to carry our B5 surveys in 2000 without project funding. Poland has already placed the B5 survey in its survey programme for 2000, although finding funding within the office would be difficult. Also, Poland felt that some central co-ordination would be essential if such B5 survey data were to be useful. Republic of Macedonia also wished to conduct a B5 survey under their own funding. Their situation was compounded by their exclusion from DOSME 2 and the uncertainty of “Balkans Project” funding. Because they were late entrants to the project, they needed central support for survey processing more than other countries. Bulgaria intends also to proceed with a B5 survey, although funding has not been confirmed. Albania was also very keen to conduct a B5 survey with their own funding. Other countries felt that they could not fund B5 type surveys within their own budgets, although Slovakia, Czech republic and Hungary had all put such a survey in their year 2000 programmes. Eurostat was urged to find a solution. Possibilities included obtaining funding from the under-spend on other current PHARE project. Arto Luhtio would investigate urgently. CECs might also investigate the possibility locally of funding from the SBS projects. Arto Luthio would also investigate the possibility of a bridging contract for Infostat to provide continuity until the DOSME 2 project starts. There was also a need to maintain communication between Eurostat and CECs during this period.
DOSME 1 Review As this was the last meeting of the project, it was necessary to review the work carried out. The project would finish on budget and on time and had met the objectives. The B4 publication was nearing completion and would be with Eurostat earlier than an previous publication. Participants were invited to comment:
Some comments raised issues for the future:
Eurostat stated that CECs would become more involved with EU work. Communication between CECs and with Eurostat was vital. CECs should inform Eurostat of events that were related to DOSME or business registers in general.
DOSME 2 First Meeting The participants agreed to the Bulgarian offer to host the first meeting. Those tendering for the contract would be advised by Eurostat.
John Perry Project co-ordinator
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